willbur
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griffin and george sp4won this on the bay last night for all of £12.88 needs a fair bit of cleaning and some work  and is nearly complete
as soon as it arrives the resto will begin
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JJ
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Bargain
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Spokesmann
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Curious these, a badged engineered later Mamod. They also sold the SP5 through Griffin too.
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silverfoxsteam
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Well done Will, does my heart good to know there are still bargains to be had!
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Mamod Collector
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Nice one Wilbur
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John Chapman
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A bargain, and it should scrub up very well
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Spokesmann
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Chimneys are readily available for SP engines.
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willbur
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it has arrived and better than i expected aswell already ordered it a new sight glass  jjust need a chimney and burner and maybe new chrome sides depending on how they clean up. will post some pics later when my little un has gone to bed
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willbur
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not in to bad a shape for the money  only missing a few bits (chimney +burner) already got a new sight glass on the way. all needs a damn good clean and some brasso . only paint that will be redone is the firebox and will see what i can do with the chrome sides
here are some pics of it as it is
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Spokesmann
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Curious extra cut out on the base...
I beleive this was for the extra flywheel on the SP4D - this extra wheel drove the dynamo. A rare variant of the SP4.
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silverfoxsteam
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Nice project Will. Can you post some 'in process' photos?
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willbur
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| silverfoxsteam wrote: | | Nice project Will. Can you post some 'in process' photos? |
i will post as many photos as i can will start to strip it down later on
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willbur
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| Spokesmann wrote: | Curious extra cut out on the base...
I beleive this was for the extra flywheel on the SP4D - this extra wheel drove the dynamo. A rare variant of the SP4. |
i take it they dont all havr the cut out then 
also would anyone be able to give me a rough date on this one
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Spokesmann
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I would say late 1990s - early 2000s
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willbur
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that makes it the youngest engine i have
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Spokesmann
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Of course the engine were only badged by Griffin Educational supplies, they sold them to schools, the very first engines for Griffin and George (as there were then) were specially made with sliver soldered boilers, Im talking of the SE3... Well worth looking out for one. The SP5 was also badged by Griffin too.
Another G&G SE3 with a different badge again.
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willbur
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decided all it needed was a very much needed good clean. nothing repainted chrome sides not faantastic but good enough . just got a few bits to buy for it and will be complete again.
got to be worth atleast £13 now :yeah:
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Spokesmann
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Thats a remarkable transformation.
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Mamod Collector
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Its just like new
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Spokesmann
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I would add to this thread that the only difference between the G&G SP4 and the 'ordinary' SP4 is the applied decal by Griffin educational Supplies, the same can be said for the Griffin badged SP5 (of which a few have appeared from time to time). There was a myth perpetuated by some ill-educated fools that they were all silver soldered, I have found no evidence to back this up whatsover, as far as my research can tell only the original G&G SE3 of 1969-c1972 was silver soldered, produced in batches up to a total of 2,000 units, and until recently was the only one which could boast this feature.
That said the sticker does probably signify that the engine was once used in schools and was supplied by Griffin - which gives it some historical provenance. To my knowledge Griffin still supply Mamod engines to schools. I can recall the SE3 used in my school, which was stored in the school prep lab between the Chemistry and Physics labs. To say it had a hard life was an understatement - it was totally black, save for a few specs of red on the baseplate. The schools engines were lucky to survive a few years with poor treatment and a total lack of care, the fact yours has survived is credit to a well built and designed Malin's inspired engine.
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willbur
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im guessing not a great deal of these survive school ? this one did look as if it had been fired with firelighters and there was also half burned cotton wooll in the firebox  there for some reason were also blobs of what seemed like super glue on the boiler and chrome sides. and the sightglass was in bits inside the boiler 
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Spokesmann
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Typical school/schoolkids use!
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John Chapman
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That's come up beautifully
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silverfoxsteam
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Will - that's really excellent. To get that result from just a clean up must have taken a lot of hard work and painstaking care getting into all the 'nooks & crannies'.
A lovely looking engine, I'm sure it'll perform really well.
Makes me want to increase the SP range in my collection. I only have examples of the SP1 & SP2.
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